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Listening and Learning with Jen Hatmaker

First I want to say how liberating it’s been to watch our podcast transform before our eyes. Penn and I have loved using this podcast as a place to grow and learn, especially inside our marriage. But with this week…

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Working on Being A Better Ally

Let me start by saying that our mission on the podcast has always been to better ourselves. The events of the last week in the wake of George Floyd have really caused us to hit the pause button. Publishing silly…

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